{"id":1642,"date":"2010-12-23T11:14:18","date_gmt":"2010-12-23T18:14:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tgdarkly.com\/blog\/?p=1642"},"modified":"2010-12-23T11:14:18","modified_gmt":"2010-12-23T18:14:18","slug":"god-and-creation-transcendence","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidopderbeck.com\/tgdarkly\/2010\/12\/23\/god-and-creation-transcendence\/","title":{"rendered":"God and Creation:  Transcendence"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s the text of my most recent podcast.<\/p>\n<p>Introduction:  God\u2019s Transcendence<\/p>\n<p>If we want to talk about God, creation, and science, where should we start?  It\u2019s easy to begin with conflict.  We can claim that the rise of modern science is the root of cultural decline.  We can dive right into some of the contentious questions about how the Bible and science relate to each other.  We can adopt a posture of defensiveness about what Christians believe and the ways in which some people think science threatens our beliefs.  There are, in fact, some important questions that we eventually will need to discuss along these lines.<\/p>\n<p>But this is not a good place to start.  The place to start is the place where all good Christian theology must start:  with God.  (Don\u2019t be put off by the word \u201ctheology,\u201d by the way \u2013 \u201ctheology\u201d is just the very human process of thinking about God).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn the beginning, God\u2026.\u201d  These are the first words of the Bible.  \u201cI believe in God\u2026.\u201d  These are the first words of the Apostle\u2019s Creed.  If we want to develop wisdom and understanding about the theme of our class \u2013 \u201cGod and Creation\u201d \u2013 then we need to start with the source of everything:  God.<\/p>\n<p>But how do we know anything about God?  And how can we say anything about God?  As we go about our daily lives, we can\u2019t converse with God in exactly the same way that we might talk with our families, friends or neighbors.  We can\u2019t touch or smell God like a patch of green grass or taste Him like an apple.   We can\u2019t see him like an image on our TV screens.  In theological terms, there is a sense in which God is \u201chidden\u201d to our human senses.  Many great Christian thinkers, such as Martin Luther, spent a good part of their lives reflecting on the \u201chiddenness\u201d of God.<\/p>\n<p>It may surprise you to hear God described as \u201chidden.\u201d  Those of us who have been in the Church for a while often are much more familiar with talk of how God has revealed Himself to us.  We seem to gravitate towards detailed and systematic explanations of what we think we can know about God.  God has, of course, revealed Himself to us \u2013 or else there would be very little point in a class like this one.  In scripture, in the proclamation of the Church, in the created world, and most importantly, in Jesus Christ, God has made Himself known.  So why start with how God is \u201chidden?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The very fact that God cannot be directly perceived by our ordinary human senses tells us something important about God and creation.  God is \u201chidden\u201d because He is \u201cother.\u201d  God is not a patch of grass, and a patch of grass is not God.  God is not an apple, and an apple is not God.  God is not a television image or painting or statute, and a television image, painting or statute is not God.  God is not a human being, and human beings are not God.  God is not matter, the stuff of the created world, and matter is not God.<\/p>\n<p>In theological terms, God is transcendent.  \u201cGod\u201d and \u201ccreation\u201d are not the same things.  This is a basic idea that distinguishes Christian understandings of God from many other philosophies and religions.  In fact, as we\u2019ll see when we discuss the cultural background of the Bible\u2019s creation narratives a few weeks from now, this emphasis on God\u2019s transcendence is one important difference between the Hebrew and Christian theologies of creation and the prevailing ideas in the world of the Biblical writers &#8212; the ancient near east.  It also distinguishes Christian thinking about God and creation from some of the important ideas that are common today.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, two of the most common contemporary perspectives really are very old ideas dressed up in new clothes.  One is a notion you might hear, for example, on TV talk shows, in self-help books, or in popular music or movies:   that \u201ceverything is one\u201d or that \u201cGod is in everything.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The first common popular idea is that \u201cGod is in everything and everyone.\u201d  In popular culture, what we hear often sounds more like \u201cpantheism\u201d  &#8212; the notion that God and the world around us really are essentially the same thing.  In fact, in American popular culture, this usually boils down to God becoming the same thing as our own individual selves.  How often have you hear a line like this in a song or TV show or movie:  \u201cwhat you\u2019ve been looking for has been right inside yourself all along\u201d or \u201cthe most important thing is to find out who you are.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The truth of God\u2019s transcendence is that the real basis for a meaningful and good life lies outside of ourselves.  We are part of creation, and therefore we are not God.<\/p>\n<p>Before we become too critical here, we need to preview for a moment an important theme I\u2019ll talk about in the next podcast:  that God is also immanent.  It is true that creation is an interconnected system and that God is always present throughout all of creation.  It is also true that in our created humanity we are made for an intimate connection with God.  It is right to look into ourselves as we seek God.  An honest search of the self should reveal a nature that is not self-sufficient, that is not meant to be alone, that longs for relationship with a beauty and harmony and love that the individual self cannot sustain.  The great Christian thinker Augustine called this a \u201cGod-shaped void\u201d at the heart of every person.<\/p>\n<p>Yet we also need to be clear that, while the search may begin with our selves, it must not stop there.  God is \u201cother,\u201d so we must continue beyond ourselves, in fact beyond everything we think we see, in order to find Him.  And the paradox here is that we can only find the true meaning and purpose of our own selves by going beyond ourselves and finding the God who is other than us and who made us.<\/p>\n<p>The second common popular idea is that \u201cmatter is all there is.\u201d  Unfortunately, for some people this idea has become the standard for supposedly \u201cscientific\u201d thinking about the world.  But this is not a \u201cscientific\u201d idea at all \u2013 it is a metaphysical statement (\u201cmetaphysical\u201d just means \u201cbeyond the physical\u201d) with roots going back to the ancient Greek Stoics.  For many educated people in Western culture, if something cannot be verified with the human senses, it is not \u201creal,\u201d or at least it is not worthy of consideration as a matter of \u201cfact\u201d or \u201creason.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>There are many reasons why this way of thinking about what counts as truth or knowledge has become so influential.  Our modern intellectual, political and social systems were deeply influenced by the period from the seventeenth to eighteenth centuries known as the \u201cEnlightenment.\u201d  We will see as we progress through this class that even modern Christianity has been tinged in significant ways by Enlightenment thought.<\/p>\n<p>The Enlightenment, of course, was not all bad.  It gave us some great gifts, including the contemporary scientific method and the political frameworks, such as the U.S. Constitution, that support the freedoms we now take for granted.<\/p>\n<p>But like many exciting moments in history, the Enlightenment produced some unbalanced perspectives.  The ways in which human beings can know things in addition to observation of the tangible world around us were lost.  The sorts of intuitions and experiences that human beings throughout history had taken as perhaps reaching beyond reason were discredited.  The thought that a transcendent God might have broken into history to reveal anything about Himself was increasingly set aside.<\/p>\n<p>Christian theology has always asserted that because God is transcendent, human observation and human reason are neither the starting point nor the ending point for true knowledge, wisdom and understanding.  If matter is not all there is, then our search for truth cannot be limited to the material world alone.  In fact, the beginning of knowledge and wisdom is the realization that God is beyond and other than the created world.<\/p>\n<p>Again, a word of balance is in order.  Human observation and reason do matter, precisely because God created us as part of a world that is in important ways orderly and knowable.  The great Christian thinker Anselm said that knowledge is the act of \u201cfaith seeking understanding.\u201d  \u201cUnderstanding\u201d \u2013 the sometimes difficult process of bringing all our resources, including reason, to bear on the search for truth \u2013 depends on and follows \u201cfaith.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ll discuss this in another podcast.  But for now, it\u2019s important to note that God\u2019s transcendence means that the physical world does not represent the limits of what is true and real.  Indeed, the physical world is not the beginning or end of what is true and real.  The \u201cbeginning and end,\u201d the \u201calpha and omega,\u201d is the God who is beyond all our thoughts and imaginings.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here&#8217;s the text of my most recent podcast. Introduction: God\u2019s Transcendence If we want to talk about God, creation, and science, where should we start? It\u2019s easy to begin with conflict. We can claim that the rise of modern science is the root of cultural decline. 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