{"id":1993,"date":"2011-04-08T13:28:18","date_gmt":"2011-04-08T20:28:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tgdarkly.com\/blog\/?p=1993"},"modified":"2011-04-08T13:28:18","modified_gmt":"2011-04-08T20:28:18","slug":"steven-holmes-on-bells-love-wins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidopderbeck.com\/tgdarkly\/2011\/04\/08\/steven-holmes-on-bells-love-wins\/","title":{"rendered":"Steven Holmes on Bell's Love Wins"},"content":{"rendered":"

The best and most thorough review of Love Wins that I’ve read\u00a0is from Steven Holmes<\/a> at St. Andrews.\u00a0 Here are the mulitple and ever-growing parts of Holmes’ review:\u00a0 Part 1<\/a>; Part 2<\/a>; Part 3<\/a>; Part 4<\/a>; Part 5<\/a>; Part 6<\/a>; Part 7<\/a>; Part 8<\/a>; Part 9<\/a>.\u00a0 Holmes is an evangelical and a Calvinist.<\/p>\n

If you are like me — you find the questions Bell raises legitimate and troubling, but you are concerned that the conversation requires much more nuance and weight theologically (and you cannot consider yourself a universalist) — read Holmes’ blogs.\u00a0 Even if you are not a staunch Calvinist like Holmes (I’m not), you’ll find them refreshing.<\/p>\n

Holmes is quite critical of various aspects of Bell’s arguments.\u00a0 But for me\u00a0some of the most important of Holmes’ observations\u00a0are in Parts 2 and 5 of his review.\u00a0 In Part 2, Holmes recites this quote from Bell:\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n

“A staggering number of people have been taught that a select few Christians will spend forever in a peaceful, joyous place called heaven, while the rest of humanity spends forever in torment and punishment in hell with no chance for anything better \u2026 This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus\u2019s message (p. viii)”<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Holmes analyzes the quote as follows:<\/p>\n

This is a full-frontal attack on historic orthodoxy, isn\u2019t it? Bell must be opposed, denounced, corrected, and bid farewell, because he has ceased to believe the gospel found in Scripture and taught by the church down the ages, and this paragraph is sufficient proof of that, surely? This proves that Bell is a heretic, right?<\/p>\n

Wrong.<\/p>\n

This is going to be a long discussion, because some historical detail is necessary. So let me state a conclusion as briefly and bluntly as I can: in saying this, Bell is saying nothing that has not been held by the vast majority of Christian theologians down the ages, taught explicitly by many of them, and repeatedly defended as Biblical by the most conservative scholars.<\/p>\n

What is Bell actually saying, first? If we read the passage carefully, the core claim is about proportion: the offence is in the \u2018select few\u2019 who are saved \u2013 not the nature of heaven, nor the nature of hell, but in their relative populations. The message of God\u2019s love demands that we hold that God saves many, or most, or all \u2013 that the gift of grace is not given parsimoniously. And this is not about the nature of hell, but about who God is \u2013 the claim of the book is that love wins.<\/p>\n

The question of the relative populations of heaven and hell come the eschaton was asked quite frequently in the Reformed tradition. B.B. Warfield published an essay under the title \u2018Are they few that be Saved?\u2019 His argument was exegetical; his answer a resounding negative. In closing, he paused to point to others who held that the number of the saved would far outnumber the lost: R.L. Dabney; Charles Hodge; W.G.T. Shedd. I could add A.A. Hodge and Jonathan Edwards.<\/p>\n

This is not a catalogue of woolly-minded liberals.<\/p>\n

This was the united witness of Old Princeton, a position taken by at least two of the writers of The Fundamentals<\/em>. These names are the very definition of Calvinist orthodoxy. These are the people whose respect for Scripture was such that they developed and defined the doctrine of inerrancy. These are the people with whom Bell is agreeing.<\/p>\n

And when you burrow in to what they actually said, the point becomes more striking still. Charles Hodge calls the number of the lost \u2018very inconsiderable\u2019 on the last page of his Systematic Theology<\/em>. Shedd actually suggests that the error of believing that only a few are saved is equal and opposite to the error of universalism. That\u2019s Shedd, the Calvinist\u2019s Calvinist, asserting that the point Bell writes to oppose is a grave heresy \u2013 albeit one that seems presently to be being vigorously defended by all manner of men (they do all seem to be men\u2026) whose zeal, unfortunately, apparently far outweighs their knowledge.<\/p>\n

(Warfield does point to one Reformed writer who holds that the number of the saved will be few, Johann Heidegger….)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Holmes returns to this discussion in Part 5:<\/p>\n

Remember Johann Heidegger from a couple of posts back? He was the Reformed writer who held that the number of the saved would indeed be small. Shedd and Warfield condemn him for being far too conservative in his theology. Heidegger wrote about precisely this question, and said this:<\/p>\n

“No one except those who sin unto death ought to or can determine anything certain before the end of life, concerning the eternal reprobation of himself or of others. Of others indeed we must have good hopes by the judgement of love, 1. Cor.13:7 (beareth, believeth, hopeth, endureth all things)\u2026\u00a0 (q. ET from Heppe, p. 188, with error silently corrected).”<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s do a kind of scale of theological conservatism here, shall we? Shedd and Warfield are conservative \u2013 I believe that will be generally granted. They reprove Heidegger for being far too conservative. That makes him, what? Ultra-conservative? Heidegger then rejects as far too conservative the position that we can know for certain that any other human being is damned. We\u2019re somewhere off the scale now, in the company of those who think the Taliban are dangerously liberal. I have thought hard about anyone in the Christian tradition who held to this position, that we can know for certain that a particular person is in hell. There were, to be fair, some Landmarkian Baptists. And Dante, I suppose, although he might claim his allegory was not meant to be taken like that. Certainly, there are not many.<\/p>\n

And yet when Bell doesn\u2019t even say that this is wrong, but merely questions whether it is right, we are told that he has committed an error so grave that he must be publicly castigated.<\/p>\n

I can\u2019t quite decide whether this is simply brilliant debating work from Bell, enticing his opponents to defend a position so extreme that no one in their right mind would touch it, or whether his opponents really, genuinely, don\u2019t realise just how far behind they have left anything resembling historic orthodoxy.<\/p>\n

This is not mere theological hair-splitting.\u00a0 This point is pastorally vital. Bell\u2019s other example concerns an atheist teenager, killed in a car crash. \u2018There\u2019s no hope, then,\u2019 comes the comment, reflecting this ridiculously extreme position. All of us who are Christian pastors have performed funeral services for those with no visible faith, and have been offered care and counsel to those, actively Christian or not, who have lost an apparently-unbelieving family member or friend. The first rule of such pastoral engagement has always been not to speculate about the fate of the dead person. One speaks with confidence the promises of Jesus, proclaims the sure and certain hope of the resurrection of the dead, announces with utter conviction the defeat of death and sin and hell in the cross, and invites, implicitly or explicitly, the hearers to place their own faith and trust in these realities. The one who has died is in God\u2019s hands, and it is not for us to judge. The gospel of Jesus is never, ever, \u2018there\u2019s no hope, then.\u2019<\/p>\n

This point is utterly vital, and Bell is simply right.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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