{"id":2171,"date":"2011-07-08T12:21:37","date_gmt":"2011-07-08T19:21:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tgdarkly.com\/blog\/?p=2171"},"modified":"2011-07-08T12:21:37","modified_gmt":"2011-07-08T19:21:37","slug":"euthyphro-the-perfections-of-god-and-n-d-wilson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidopderbeck.com\/tgdarkly\/2011\/07\/08\/euthyphro-the-perfections-of-god-and-n-d-wilson\/","title":{"rendered":"Euthyphro, the Perfections of God, and N.D. Wilson"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tgdarkly.com\/blog\/?p=2168\">I posted a response<\/a> to N.D. Wilson&#8217;s treatment of Rob Bell in Books &amp; Culture.\u00a0 In this post I&#8217;d like to take this conversation a bit deeper.<\/p>\n<p>Wilson&#8217;s essay strikes me as a classic example of the &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.philosophyofreligion.info\/christian-ethics\/divine-command-theory\/\">divine command theory<\/a>&#8221; (&#8220;DCT&#8221;) of ethics.\u00a0 According to DCT, something is good or bad simply because God wills and commands it to be so.\u00a0 It is a popular theory with strong Calvinists because it emphasizes God&#8217;s absolute sovereignty.\u00a0 This is the perspective, I think, from which Wilson writes.<\/p>\n<p>DCT is vulnerable to the Euthyphro Dilemma.\u00a0 The Euthyphro Dilemma is based on one of Plato&#8217;s dialogues.\u00a0 It asks, &#8220;does God will the good because (a) it is good, or is it good (b) because God wills it?&#8221;\u00a0 If (a), this suggests there is something greater than God, to which God is subject.\u00a0\u00a0 If (b), this suggests that morality is arbitrary and that statements such as &#8220;God is good&#8221; are empty tautologies.\u00a0 Neither (a) nor (b) reflect what Christian theists traditionally mean by &#8220;God&#8221; or &#8220;good.&#8221;\u00a0 DCT asserts (b), and thereby falls prey to claims of arbitrariness and emptiness.<\/p>\n<p>Wilson seems to think the only other option is (a), which would reduce &#8220;God&#8221; to something less than the final, soverign being of Christian theism.\u00a0 But (a) is not the only other option.\u00a0 Indeed, neither (a) nor (b) reflect traditional Christian theism.\u00a0 As theologian <a href=\"http:\/\/www.st-andrews.ac.uk\/divinity\/rt\/staff\/sh80\/\">Stephen Holmes<\/a> notes in his chapter &#8220;The Attributes of God&#8221; from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Handbook-Systematic-Theology-Handbooks-Religion\/dp\/0199245762\">The Oxford Handbook of Systematic Theology<\/a>,<em>&#8220;&#8216;goodness is neither merely a name we apply to God&#8217;s actions nor a standard beyond God by which he may be judged.\u00a0 Rather, it is God&#8217;s own character to which he may indeed be held accountable. . . .&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Note that Holmes asserts that God may be &#8220;held accountable&#8221; to act in accordance with God&#8217;s own character.\u00a0 This is the meaning, Holmes notes, of Abraham&#8217;s plea in Genesis 18:25:\u00a0 <em>&#8220;Far be it from you to do such a thing&#8211;to kill the righteous with the  wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you!  Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?&#8221;<\/em> Abraham could not make an appeal to a standard of &#8220;right&#8221; if &#8220;right&#8221; meant simply whatever God commands.\u00a0 Why is Abraham confident that God will not &#8220;kill the righteous with the wicked&#8221; &#8212; confident enough to challenge God Himself?\u00a0 Because Abraham knows that God will always act in accordance with God&#8217;s own character. God <em>is<\/em> just, and therefore God <em>will not<\/em> act unjustly.<\/p>\n<p>An epistemological problem, however, remains.\u00a0 How can we as mere humans know enough about what God is really like to expect that God will act in accordance with some standard we perceive as &#8220;good?&#8221;\u00a0 DCT here must posit a radical, complete inability to know anything about what God is like.\u00a0 All we can do, according to DCT, is hear and obey God&#8217;s commands.\u00a0 But this is untenable.<\/p>\n<p>In order to know that we are in fact hearing <em>God&#8217;s<\/em> commands, we must have some knowledge of the content of God&#8217;s communication to us.\u00a0 In order to have such knowledge, we must believe God in fact has communicated in a reliable, intelligible fashion.\u00a0 But in order to believe that God&#8217;s presumed communication is reliable and intelligible, we must hold such communication (and by extension its putative speaker) to some standard of reliability and intelligibility.\u00a0 If God could tell a lie and command that such a lie is &#8220;good,&#8221; how could we know that God&#8217;s commands are in fact things He wants us to follow?\u00a0 Maybe God is a trickster and wants to lead us astray.<\/p>\n<p>We can make such judgments because we do, in fact, have some <em>creaturely<\/em> knowledge of what is &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;reliable&#8221; and &#8220;intelligible.&#8221;\u00a0 Our creaturely knowledge necessarily is delivered through the cognitive and linguistic structures available to us as human creatures.\u00a0 But these structures are <em>derived from<\/em> God as our creator, in whose image we are made.\u00a0 Therefore, although we do not have <em>direct<\/em> knowledge of what &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;reliable&#8221; and &#8220;intelligible&#8221; are with respect to God in His essence, we do have <em>analogical<\/em> knowledge of these things.\u00a0 This analogical argument is found in Thomas Aquinas, and Holmes summarizes it as follows:\u00a0 <em>&#8220;we first know derived goodness, and from that begin to understand what it means to call God good.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Holmes notes a number of problems with Thomas&#8217; argument and further highlights the problem of divine simplicity that underlies this discussion.\u00a0 But Holmes is correct, I think, in affirming the basic insight that God&#8217;s perfections are one and that we can know something about what God is like by creaturely analogy.\u00a0 To be sure, such knowledge is only analogical, never direct, and it is always mediated through and accommodated to the limits of human language.\u00a0 Indeed, we can never really grasp what God communicates to us without the presence of the Holy Spirit, who both authenticates to us God&#8217;s speech and enables us to perceive and understand it.\u00a0 But all of this means that, like Abraham, we are right to interrogate deeply when some passage of scripture, or some doctrinal claim, is stated in a way that makes God appear less than everything that He is, all at once, and all together:\u00a0 less than perfectly loving and good, less than perfectly merciful and just, less than perfectly sovereign and gracious.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yesterday I posted a response to N.D. 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