{"id":2585,"date":"2008-05-02T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-02T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tgdarkly.com\/blog\/?p=16"},"modified":"2008-05-02T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-02T07:00:00","slug":"reasonable-faith","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/davidopderbeck.com\/tgdarkly\/2008\/05\/02\/reasonable-faith\/","title":{"rendered":"Reasonable Faith?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jesuscreed.org\/?p=3743\">Jesus Creed<\/a>, guest blogger RJS is exploring the relationship between faith and reason.  Here are the categories she proposes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>(1) Faith requires the renunciation of intelligence. Any elaboration here would detract from my principle point &#8211; so I will forbear.<\/p>\n<p>(2) Intellectual integrity requires the renunciation of faith. This is a growing view in our world today. Secular humanism and atheism may not be in ascendancy (Alister McGrath, NT Wright, Tim Keller, and Brian McLaren all make this point in various ways) &#8211; but the view has become the de facto operating principle for many; the point of departure. More importantly, the accepted alternatives to atheism or materialism do not usually include orthodox Christian faith.<\/p>\n<p>(3) By the skin of one\u0092s teeth one can hold to both faith and integrity. But within this position there is a constant tension. We bracket off the questions and continue to function \u0096 barely. Many stories \u0096 both of those who \u0093lost faith\u0094 and those who \u0093retained faith\u0094 include this approach in the mix.<\/p>\n<p>(4) Intellectual integrity demands faith. A modernistic \u0093evidence that demands a verdict\u0094 approach. (Lee Strobel, Josh McDowell, Hugh Ross, \u0085)<\/p>\n<p>I would add a fifth response to this taxonomy:<\/p>\n<p>(5) Intellectual integrity is fully compatible with faith but requires honest interaction. There is no proof &#8211; some ambiguity remains. Of course honest grappling with all the questions and issues is somewhat unnerving to many. It seems inevitable that some views will be refined or even abandoned in the process and this prospect causes concern. Perhaps it is not true that everything is clear cut. Nonetheless there is a way forward. Exploring the issues does not lead inevitably to deism or liberalism or apostasy. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I grew up with category 4.  I&#8217;ve moved towards 5, and at times I&#8217;ve thought I&#8217;ve been there, only to get beaten back to 3.  Here&#8217;s my question:  can you get to 5 with an <em>orthodox<\/em> Christian faith, or does 5 require that the big challenges between faith and intellectual integrity must be resolved by moving away from orthodoxy?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On Jesus Creed, guest blogger RJS is exploring the relationship between faith and reason. Here are the categories she proposes: (1) Faith requires the renunciation of intelligence. Any elaboration here would detract from my principle point &#8211; so I will forbear. (2) Intellectual integrity requires the renunciation of faith. 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